diff --git a/public/css/index-tailwind-output.css b/public/css/index-tailwind-output.css
index 3da0d51cfa..518950b8ed 100644
--- a/public/css/index-tailwind-output.css
+++ b/public/css/index-tailwind-output.css
@@ -1136,18 +1136,6 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   right: 0px;
 }
 
-.left-24 {
-  left: 6rem;
-}
-
-.right-24 {
-  right: 6rem;
-}
-
-.top-56 {
-  top: 14rem;
-}
-
 .bottom-0 {
   bottom: 0px;
 }
@@ -1332,10 +1320,6 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   margin: 0.5rem;
 }
 
-.m-8 {
-  margin: 2rem;
-}
-
 .m-0\.5 {
   margin: 0.125rem;
 }
@@ -1356,6 +1340,10 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   margin: 1.25rem;
 }
 
+.m-8 {
+  margin: 2rem;
+}
+
 .m-14 {
   margin: 3.5rem;
 }
@@ -1694,18 +1682,14 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   height: 2.25rem;
 }
 
-.h-24 {
-  height: 6rem;
+.h-screen {
+  height: 100vh;
 }
 
 .h-full {
   height: 100%;
 }
 
-.h-screen {
-  height: 100vh;
-}
-
 .h-fit {
   height: -webkit-fit-content;
   height: -moz-fit-content;
@@ -1749,6 +1733,10 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   height: 0.75rem;
 }
 
+.h-80 {
+  height: 20rem;
+}
+
 .h-modal {
   height: calc(100% - 2rem);
 }
@@ -1785,10 +1773,6 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   height: 16rem;
 }
 
-.h-80 {
-  height: 20rem;
-}
-
 .h-20 {
   height: 5rem;
 }
@@ -1797,6 +1781,10 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   height: 9rem;
 }
 
+.h-24 {
+  height: 6rem;
+}
+
 .h-96 {
   height: 24rem;
 }
@@ -2007,6 +1995,10 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   width: 0.75rem;
 }
 
+.w-60 {
+  width: 15rem;
+}
+
 .w-11 {
   width: 2.75rem;
 }
@@ -2023,11 +2015,6 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   width: 3.5rem;
 }
 
-.w-max {
-  width: -webkit-max-content;
-  width: max-content;
-}
-
 .w-48 {
   width: 12rem;
 }
@@ -3060,11 +3047,20 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   border-color: rgb(209 213 219 / var(--tw-border-opacity));
 }
 
+.border-transparent {
+  border-color: transparent;
+}
+
 .border-gray-600 {
   --tw-border-opacity: 1;
   border-color: rgb(75 85 99 / var(--tw-border-opacity));
 }
 
+.border-red-500 {
+  --tw-border-opacity: 1;
+  border-color: rgb(240 82 82 / var(--tw-border-opacity));
+}
+
 .border-gray-800 {
   --tw-border-opacity: 1;
   border-color: rgb(31 41 55 / var(--tw-border-opacity));
@@ -3170,11 +3166,6 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   border-color: rgb(14 159 110 / var(--tw-border-opacity));
 }
 
-.border-red-500 {
-  --tw-border-opacity: 1;
-  border-color: rgb(240 82 82 / var(--tw-border-opacity));
-}
-
 .border-gray-700 {
   --tw-border-opacity: 1;
   border-color: rgb(55 65 81 / var(--tw-border-opacity));
@@ -3185,10 +3176,6 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   border-color: rgb(239 86 47 / var(--tw-border-opacity));
 }
 
-.border-transparent {
-  border-color: transparent;
-}
-
 .border-red-300 {
   --tw-border-opacity: 1;
   border-color: rgb(248 180 180 / var(--tw-border-opacity));
@@ -3262,6 +3249,11 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   background-color: rgb(249 128 128 / var(--tw-bg-opacity));
 }
 
+.bg-gray-400 {
+  --tw-bg-opacity: 1;
+  background-color: rgb(156 163 175 / var(--tw-bg-opacity));
+}
+
 .bg-slate-400 {
   --tw-bg-opacity: 1;
   background-color: rgb(148 163 184 / var(--tw-bg-opacity));
@@ -3494,11 +3486,6 @@ input[type="range"].range-lg::-moz-range-thumb {
   background-color: rgb(254 121 93 / var(--tw-bg-opacity));
 }
 
-.bg-gray-400 {
-  --tw-bg-opacity: 1;
-  background-color: rgb(156 163 175 / var(--tw-bg-opacity));
-}
-
 .bg-pink-500 {
   --tw-bg-opacity: 1;
   background-color: rgb(231 70 148 / var(--tw-bg-opacity));
diff --git a/src/Logic/ImageProviders/AllImageProviders.ts b/src/Logic/ImageProviders/AllImageProviders.ts
index aaac514a4b..c53be2d79b 100644
--- a/src/Logic/ImageProviders/AllImageProviders.ts
+++ b/src/Logic/ImageProviders/AllImageProviders.ts
@@ -22,7 +22,7 @@ export default class AllImageProviders {
         ...WikimediaImageProvider.commonsPrefixes,
         ...Mapillary.valuePrefixes,
         ...AllImageProviders.dontLoadFromPrefixes,
-        "Category:",
+        "Category:"
     ])
 
     private static ImageAttributionSource: ImageProvider[] = [
@@ -31,7 +31,7 @@ export default class AllImageProviders {
         WikidataImageProvider.singleton,
         WikimediaImageProvider.singleton,
         Panoramax.singleton,
-        AllImageProviders.genericImageProvider,
+        AllImageProviders.genericImageProvider
     ]
     public static apiUrls: string[] = [].concat(
         ...AllImageProviders.ImageAttributionSource.map((src) => src.apiUrls())
@@ -44,7 +44,7 @@ export default class AllImageProviders {
         mapillary: Mapillary.singleton,
         wikidata: WikidataImageProvider.singleton,
         wikimedia: WikimediaImageProvider.singleton,
-        panoramax: Panoramax.singleton,
+        panoramax: Panoramax.singleton
     }
 
     public static byName(name: string) {
@@ -67,6 +67,28 @@ export default class AllImageProviders {
     }
 
     private static readonly _cachedImageStores: Record<string, Store<ProvidedImage[]>> = {}
+
+    /**
+     * Does a guess on the number of images that are probably there.
+     * Will simply count all image tags
+     *
+     * AllImageProviders.estimateNumberOfImages({image:"abc", "mapillary": "123", "panoramax:0"}) // => 3
+     *
+     */
+    public static estimateNumberOfImages(tags: Record<string, string>, prefixes: string[] = undefined): number {
+        let count = 0
+
+        const allPrefixes = prefixes ?? [].concat(...AllImageProviders.ImageAttributionSource.map(s => s.defaultKeyPrefixes))
+        for (const k in tags) {
+            for (const prefix of allPrefixes) {
+                if (k === prefix || k.startsWith(prefix + ":")) {
+                    count++
+                }
+            }
+        }
+        return count
+    }
+
     /**
      * Tries to extract all image data for this image. Cached on tags?.data?.id
      */
@@ -108,7 +130,7 @@ export default class AllImageProviders {
      */
     public static loadImagesFrom(urls: string[]): Store<ProvidedImage[]> {
         const tags = {
-            id: urls.join(";"),
+            id: urls.join(";")
         }
         for (let i = 0; i < urls.length; i++) {
             tags["image:" + i] = urls[i]
diff --git a/src/Logic/ImageProviders/Panoramax.ts b/src/Logic/ImageProviders/Panoramax.ts
index b50e4712d9..0e9c7485e5 100644
--- a/src/Logic/ImageProviders/Panoramax.ts
+++ b/src/Logic/ImageProviders/Panoramax.ts
@@ -149,7 +149,7 @@ export default class PanoramaxImageProvider extends ImageProvider {
             )
         }
 
-        Stores.Chronic(1500, () => hasLoading(source.data)).addCallback(() => {
+        Stores.Chronic(5000, () => hasLoading(source.data)).addCallback(() => {
             super.getRelevantUrlsFor(tags, prefixes).then((data) => {
                 source.set(data)
                 return !hasLoading(data)
diff --git a/src/UI/Base/LoadingPlaceholder.svelte b/src/UI/Base/LoadingPlaceholder.svelte
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..9b9f5ca427
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/UI/Base/LoadingPlaceholder.svelte
@@ -0,0 +1,11 @@
+<script lang="ts">
+  import Loading from "./Loading.svelte"
+
+</script>
+<div class="relative w-60 h-80">
+  <div class="animate-pulse w-full h-full bg-gray-400">
+  </div>
+  <div class="w-full h-full absolute top-0 flex items-center justify-center">
+    <Loading />
+  </div>
+</div>
diff --git a/src/UI/Image/AttributedImage.svelte b/src/UI/Image/AttributedImage.svelte
index 257801e4cc..6b8c16f3ea 100644
--- a/src/UI/Image/AttributedImage.svelte
+++ b/src/UI/Image/AttributedImage.svelte
@@ -17,6 +17,7 @@
   import Translations from "../i18n/Translations"
   import Tr from "../Base/Tr.svelte"
   import DotMenu from "../Base/DotMenu.svelte"
+  import LoadingPlaceholder from "../Base/LoadingPlaceholder.svelte"
 
   export let image: Partial<ProvidedImage>
   let fallbackImage: string = undefined
@@ -111,7 +112,11 @@
           <slot name="dot-menu-actions" />
         </DotMenu>
       {/if}
+      {#if !loaded}
+        <LoadingPlaceholder />
+      {/if}
       <img
+        class:hidden={!loaded}
         bind:this={imgEl}
         on:load={() => (loaded = true)}
         class={imgClass ?? ""}
diff --git a/src/UI/Image/ImageCarousel.svelte b/src/UI/Image/ImageCarousel.svelte
index f9b4316205..b8fb8a14bc 100644
--- a/src/UI/Image/ImageCarousel.svelte
+++ b/src/UI/Image/ImageCarousel.svelte
@@ -3,14 +3,28 @@
   import type { ProvidedImage } from "../../Logic/ImageProviders/ImageProvider"
   import type { SpecialVisualizationState } from "../SpecialVisualization"
   import DeletableImage from "./DeletableImage.svelte"
+  import Loading from "../Base/Loading.svelte"
+  import LoadingPlaceholder from "../Base/LoadingPlaceholder.svelte"
 
   export let images: Store<ProvidedImage[]>
   export let state: SpecialVisualizationState
   export let tags: UIEventSource<Record<string, string>>
-</script>
 
-<div class="flex w-full space-x-2 overflow-x-auto" style="scroll-snap-type: x proximity">
-  {#each $images as image (image.url)}
-    <DeletableImage {image} {state} {tags} />
-  {/each}
-</div>
+  export let estimated: Store<number>
+
+  images.addCallbackAndRun(imgs => {
+    console.log(">>><<< imgs are", imgs)
+  })
+
+</script>
+{#if $estimated > 0 && $images.length < 1}
+  <LoadingPlaceholder />
+{:else}
+  <div class="w-full overflow-x-auto" style="scroll-snap-type: x proximity">
+    <div class="flex space-x-2">
+      {#each $images as image (image.url)}
+        <DeletableImage {image} {state} {tags} />
+      {/each}
+    </div>
+  </div>
+{/if}
diff --git a/src/UI/SpecialVisualizations.ts b/src/UI/SpecialVisualizations.ts
index ad9f864c4b..a119908ae2 100644
--- a/src/UI/SpecialVisualizations.ts
+++ b/src/UI/SpecialVisualizations.ts
@@ -717,7 +717,8 @@ export default class SpecialVisualizations {
                         imagePrefixes = [].concat(...args.map((a) => a.split(",")))
                     }
                     const images = AllImageProviders.loadImagesFor(tags, imagePrefixes)
-                    return new SvelteUIElement(ImageCarousel, { state, tags, images })
+                    const estimated = tags.mapD(tags => AllImageProviders.estimateNumberOfImages(tags, imagePrefixes))
+                    return new SvelteUIElement(ImageCarousel, { state, tags, images, estimated })
                 },
             },
             {